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December 25

Category:People from Netcong, New Jersey

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:People from Netcong, New Jersey to Category:People from Morris County, New Jersey

Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge This city is less than 1 square mile in area. We also only have 3 entries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge per nominator is necessary! Per SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Burial sites of the Royal houses of the States of the Holy Roman Empire

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the States of the Holy Roman Empire
Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the Margraviate of Brandenburg
Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the County of Flanders
Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the Duchy of Limburg
Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the Duchy of Lower Lorraine
Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the Duchy of Swabia
Propose deleting Category:Burial sites of the Royal houses of the Rulers of Thuringia

Nominator's rationale: delete, utterly confusing categories, they contain burial sites of families of which some members ruled a fief in the Holy Roman Empire and some other members of that family were (often in another period) kings of another country. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:52, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all in the form Category:Burial sites of the ruling houses of the States of the Holy Roman Empire, which avoids the question of whether they were at the time "royal", rather than just noble. I suspect that many of these can be merged into the first. Some of them managed to be royal while holding an imperial fief, so that I support to principle underlying the nom. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. --Just N. (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Auditory perception

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The result of the discussion was: split, leaving a {{Category disambiguation}} template. – Fayenatic London 10:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Auditory perception to Category:Hearing and Category:Psychoacoustics

Nominator's rationale: This category is primarily articles about psychoacoustics with some articles about other hearing concepts mixed in. Which makes sense, because to my knowledge, auditory perception has two meanings: hearing and psychoacoustics. This also means that, even if the category is purged, it's destined to become a mess again.

A quick note, I'm not fully across perception as a topic, so there may be nuances that I'm missing. However, "nuance" isn't a great starting point for unambiguous categorisation. -- Xurizuri (talk) 13:35, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, but leave a dab page. Note that in article space Auditory perception redirects to Hearing, perhaps the target should be changed to Psychoacoustics. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Dab page would be good. For the redirect, I think hearing is probably what most people will want to see. I will definitely go add a redirect hatnote though. --Xurizuri (talk) 14:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Sounds reasonable. --Just N. (talk) 22:19, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Riverdale, New Jersey

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:People from Riverdale, New Jersey to Category:People from Morris County, New Jersey

Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just 2 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge This city has just over 2 square miles in area, and we only have 2 entries. Keep in mind New Jersey has over 500 incorporated places. We do not need from categories on every single one of these.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge for sure necessary. Per SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 22:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Songs written by Mick Leeson

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The result of the discussion was: Merge performed in the reverse of the nomination and soft redirect set up; sources support "Mick." (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:10, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Songs written by Mick Leeson to Category:Songs written by Mike Leeson

Nominator's rationale: procedural nomination, the creation of the category was an out-of-process move, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_October_25#Category:Songs_written_by_Mike_Leeson. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support - there was no consensus for this creation. Oculi (talk) 15:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support This thing has bounced around over the years, but we should stick to the consensus determined further back at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 December 27#Category:Songs written by Michael J. Leeson, which is probably what I should have argued for in my nomination last month. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse merging to Mick Leeson as that is by far the most used name of this musician. See Discogs, IMDb. (MusicBrainz uses the civil name Michael Leeson instead of the artist name.) --Just N. (talk) 21:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 08:28, 27 November 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Comment We usually don't 'play registrar' and change established historical nicknames like 'Mick' to the more frequent form 'Mike'. Next time we nominate Mick Jagger as well? Or is he as the only exception worthy of 'Mick'? Even in my home town there is an old blues musician and bandleader who is proud of naming his band Mick Schwarz Band. Must be a time-related preference, maybe indeed refering to the idolized Stones frontman. Please finish this revenant nomination by Reverse merging to Mick Leeson. --Just N. (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Oculi, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, and Justus Nussbaum: so far one source has been quoted (in the 2016 discussion) using "Mike". The wikipedia articles are mostly using "Mick" though. It may be helpful for the discussion to quote more sources. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gibb musical family

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Gibb musical family to Category:Gibb family

Nominator's rationale: Matching other subcategories of Category:Show business families where no other prominent family of the same name has an article. Mike Selinker (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac 1 5 05:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose -- The target name is liable to pick up no end of other people sharing the surname Gibb, some of whom may be distantly related; others not at all. The current name prevents SHAREDNAME categorisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Oppose - Similar to Peterkingiron I'd expect users to add people articles just because of the same surname if we'd shorten the category wording. Better to keep the existing which is much more without any doubt. Gibb is not a rare familyname indeed. --Just N. (talk) 22:50, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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